Since Donald Trump’s election in 2016, Lloyd Cox as a lecturer in United States Politics at Macquarie University has seen students intrigued and outraged by the unconventional US president. Looking back with host Sean Britten, Lloyd discusses how pundits in 2016 got it so wrong, fighting exhaustion with Trump’s constantly shifting policies and public statements, and whether we’re treating politics as a spectator sport.

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