We discuss chapters 13-18 of The Caves of Steel by Isaac Asimov. Has Herds finally scored points? Was this puzzle fair? Our normal post-novel breakdown takes a turn as Flex realises his allegedly infallible methods may have let him down. We also chat with Transhumanism Australia co-founder Peter Xing about how our society reflects what Asimov predicted, and what we should expect as our technologies expand in scope, plus Transhumanism Australia’s campaign to get aging classified as a disease.

Listen to Part One of The Caves of Steel HERE and Part Two HERE.