“If delivery counts, Vance wins. If honesty counts, Walz wins.”

The VP presidential debate this week appeared more substantive, and certainly more civil, than anything we’ve seen lately, but does it really matter? And do new polls reflect the performances. Meanwhile, Hurricane Helene has carved a swathe through southern states, leaving at least 120 dead and billions of dollars of damage in her wake. Also discussing the latest from Israel, Jack Smith’s case against Donald Trump, the dockworkers strike, and latest from the campaign trail.

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts to stay up-to-date.

And check us out on Omny, Spotify, Facebook and Twitter.